Exploring Concordium, The Future of Blockchain Identity
In this episode of the Crypto 101 Podcast, Concordium CEO Boris Bohrer-Bilowitzki joins the conversation for a wide-ranging discussion on where blockchain adoption has stalled, why identity and verification are now unavoidable, and how Concordium is deliberately positioning itself for real-world use.
The conversation cuts through market noise and price action to focus on fundamentals: why smart contracts failed as custodians, why most tokenized financial products remain unusable, and why privacy-preserving verification is emerging as the critical missing layer between regulation and adoption.
Below is a distilled, section-by-section summary of the discussion, capturing the key insights, concrete examples, and strategic signals shared during the session.
1. Introduction
- 1 Introduction
- Crypto 101 Podcast, sponsored by Concordium
- Guest: Concordium CEO **Boris “Triple B”** Bohrer-Bilowitzki
- Crypto 101 Podcast, sponsored by Concordium
- Framing of the episode:
- Focus on builders shaping the next phase of crypto
- Direct insights from leadership, not speculation
- Context set:
- End of 2025
- Year described as highly volatile but fundamentally positive
- Combination of:
- Positive regulation
- Major catalysts
- Black swan events
- Key message:
- Despite volatility, real progress has been made
- Sets expectation for a substantive, forward-looking discussion
2. Boris’ background and entry into crypto
- Boris has spent nearly 20 years in finance and infrastructure
- Experience spans hedge funds, brokerage, M&A backend, and asset management
- Entered crypto in 2017, describing himself as a latecomer
- Sparked by the first line of the Bitcoin whitepaper:
- “Global electronic peer-to-peer cash”
- Background in finance made him focus on:
- What money is
- How value is exchanged
- How broken real-world payment and settlement flows are
- Observed that everyday transactions (e.g. buying coffee) hide:
- Enormous complexity
- Inefficient and fragmented infrastructure
- Always infrastructure-driven rather than product or trading-focused
- In 2018, became:
- Founding partner
- Chief Commercial Officer at Copper
- At Copper:
- Built large-scale institutional crypto infrastructure
- Solved off-exchange settlement problems
- Launched ClearLoop as a flagship product
- Processed hundreds of billions in monthly trading volume
- Through Copper, worked with many major foundations
- Concordium stood out as technically unique
- Noted that Concordium’s code was highly regarded by engineers
- Built by top cryptographers
- Founded by Lars Seier Christensen, former CEO of Saxo Bank
- Interest in Concordium persisted over time
- Left Copper as it scaled:
- Prefers building early-stage systems over operating large organizations
- Took over as Concordium CEO in September
- Concludes by noting:
- A lot is happening in crypto
- Much appears chaotic on the surface
- Underneath, the direction is relatively clear if you look beyond noise
3. 2025 context and cycles: why this year mattered
- 2025 described as a wild but constructive year
- High volatility
- Ongoing flow of new catalysts
- Mix of positive developments and setbacks seen as normal for a young industry
- Crypto and blockchain infrastructure evolve through cycles and friction
- Progress requires speed bumps and experimentation
- Boris’ long-term perspective:
- Lived through 2008 financial crisis, recovery, and subsequent asset boom
- Experienced multiple crypto cycles without being phased by volatility
- Cycle recap from an infrastructure lens:
- 2018: widespread belief crypto was “over” after the crash
- 2021: DeFi summer, rapid user growth, experimental innovation
- 2022: excessive leverage and systemic failures
- Collapse of major players (e.g. FTX, Celsius)
- Cascading effects across the ecosystem
- Current cycle observations:
- Boris holds strong personal views on where the market stands
- Finds certain recent events “weird,” particularly October 10
- Expected visible blow-ups that never materialized
- Stablecoins trading at par for too long seen as structurally flawed
- Core concern is adoption, not price:
- Industry performance on adoption has been poor
- Grassroots narratives repeat what was already said in 2021
- Monthly active dApp users have been flat for 3.5–4 years
- Key takeaway:
- Stagnant user growth is not accidental
- There are structural reasons the industry has failed to onboard new users at scale
4. The adoption problem: what the market is missing
- Adoption, not price, is the real issue
- Bitcoin succeeded as a store of value and should be treated separately
- Broader crypto technology adoption has stalled
- Core problem: tooling
- Nothing has been built for genuine real-world users
- Industry talks about adoption but designs for insiders
- Current onboarding model is fundamentally broken:
- Explaining seed phrases is a non-starter
- Telling users all funds are lost if keys are lost is unacceptable
- Expecting users to understand blockchain mechanics is unrealistic
- Users do not understand legacy finance either
- They do not know how stock settlement works
- They do not know how payment rails function
- Yet those systems work because complexity is abstracted away
- Crypto fails to abstract complexity
- Especially around issuance and usage
- Smart contracts increasingly act as custodians, creating systemic risk
- Key principle:
- Blockchain is here to be used, not understood
- Industry mistake:
- Designing for people who enjoy complexity
- Relying on concepts like DeFi Lego and yield farming
- Mainstream users behave differently:
- Even Apple Pay took time to be adopted
- Average users will not manage seed phrases or operational risk
- Result:
- Real-world users stay out
- Large chains struggle to pivot toward adoption
- Root cause points back to:
- Poor abstraction
- Misuse of smart contracts
- Tooling built for crypto natives, not the real world
5. Concordium 101: what it is and how it addresses those issues
- Many people are still unfamiliar with Concordium, but that is expected to change
- Concordium is built around two core pillars
- Pillar 1: Identity
- Shaped by extensive interaction with regulators
- Regulators’ primary role is protecting retail users
- Regulation is often heavy-handed, but directionally necessary
- Core design choice:
- Users identify themselves once when entering the ecosystem
- All subsequent interactions are privacy-preserving
- Enabled through zero-knowledge proofs
- Zero-knowledge identity was built early:
- Designed in 2016–2017
- Mainnet launch in 2021
- Market timing was early, which hurt perception at the time
- Despite early timing, Concordium performed relatively well compared to the broader crypto market
- Problem Concordium targets:
- Every digital service today requires repetitive onboarding
- Proving age or eligibility forces users to overshare personal data
- Passports and IDs expose far more information than necessary
- User reality:
- People do not want to reveal full identities for simple access or payments
- This aligns with cypherpunk values
- Regulatory reality:
- Identity enforcement is unavoidable
- Sometimes justified, sometimes excessive
- Concordium’s approach:
- Zero-knowledge–based verification
- Proof of attributes, not disclosure of identity
- Works for both access and payments
- Outcome:
- Privacy preserved
- Regulatory requirements satisfied
- Friction reduced for real-world users
6. Protocol-Level Tokens and why smart contracts failed
- Concordium introduced Protocol-Level Tokens (PLTs) to address systemic failures in smart contracts
- Root problem observed across the industry:
- Most major hacks and fund losses stem from smart contract vulnerabilities
- Smart contracts have been pushed into acting as custodians
- Funds routinely sit inside contracts for trading, escrow, or scheduled payments
- This contradicts the original promise of crypto:
- “Programmable money” was meant to reduce trust and custody risk
- Instead, contracts became high-risk custodial containers
- Concordium’s architectural shift:
- Issuance happens at the protocol level, not inside smart contracts
- Programmability is embedded directly into the token itself
- Smart contracts are used for conditional logic, not custody
- Combining PLTs with identity enables:
- Travel rule compliance by default
- Age-verified payments
- Geofencing and jurisdictional controls
- Practical outcome:
- Reduced attack surface
- Lower systemic risk
- Clear separation between money, logic, and custody
- Adoption signal:
- Despite limited visibility, ~10 stablecoin issuers already operate on Concordium
- Focus on compliance-oriented stablecoins
- Broader design philosophy:
- Privacy does not mean total transparency
- Financial transactions should not be publicly exposed by default
- Different use cases require different transparency levels
- Strategic shift highlighted:
- Past cycles focused on onboarding retail users
- Next phase is intentional onboarding of businesses
- Concordium positions itself at the intersection of:
- Privacy
- Compliance
- Real-world financial use cases
7. Flipping the strategy: targeting Web2 and high-risk verticals
- Boris states that Concordium is “flipping this on its head”
- Criticizes ecosystem tribalism:
- ETH maxis, Solana maxis
- Little user movement between ecosystems
- Altcoins largely doing the same thing “in different colors”
- Emphasizes that users are the core issue
- Competing on speed, memes, or narratives does not change adoption
- Notes that Web3 users are also Web2 users
- But the Web2 user base is much larger
- Concordium’s approach:
- Focus on onboarding users without mentioning crypto or blockchain
- Gives concrete example:
- Recent work in the adult content industry
- Large industry that people use but rarely discuss openly
- Highlights regulatory pressure:
- Regulators are now enforcing age restrictions
- Privacy is required for adoption
- Makes a clear distinction:
- Privacy is necessary
- Anonymity is not acceptable to regulators
- Repeated onboarding is identified as a major cost center
- Compliance and back-office work dominate traditional finance
- Concordium’s positioning:
- Not trying to “revolutionize Wall Street”
- Focused on bringing users into an ecosystem first
- Target use cases mentioned:
- Adult content
- Gaming
- Gambling
- Social platforms
- Real-world regulatory examples:
- Social media age restrictions in Australia
- User requirements:
- Users want access without revealing:
- Name
- Address
- Exact birthdate
- Regulators require more than a simple “I’m over 18” button
- Users want access without revealing:
- Boris states:
- The solution was presented to Ofcom
- Feedback was strongly positive
- User flow described:
- Download the Concord ID app
- Complete verification
- No crypto references
- No seed phrases
- Result:
- Users create a personal identity
- Interact in a privacy-preserving way using zero-knowledge proofs
- Without explicit awareness of being in a Web3 ecosystem
8. The mechanics of zero-knowledge verification
- Question focuses on how identity verification actually works
- Whether a third party verifies first
- And what happens afterward on the blockchain
- Boris explains the flow:
- Third-party identity providers verify documents
- They confirm the document is valid and belongs to the user
- What matters happens after verification:
- On the user’s device, an identity is cryptographically hashed
- The hash is bound only to the user’s wallet
- No passport or ID data is stored on-chain
- Interaction model:
- Blockchain checks specific attributes, not full identity
- Example checks:
- Is the user over 18? Yes or no
- Is the document UK-issued? Yes or no
- Zero-knowledge proofs return answers without revealing details
- Key principle:
- Identity is verified once
- No repeated sharing of documents across services
- Host explores broader applications:
- Security clearance
- Verified credentials
- Email or agent verification
- Attribute confirmation without exposing underlying data
- Emphasis on data minimization:
- Even in a data leak, sensitive personal details are not exposed
- Examples discussed:
- Airports and fast-track security
- Approval-based access without revealing identity
- Boris confirms this matches Concordium’s design:
- No face scans
- No biometric databases
- Pure attribute-based proof
- Strategic clarification:
- Concordium is not trying to compete directly with Ethereum or Solana
- Focus is on bringing users into an ecosystem
- Existing distribution mentioned:
- Partnerships with wallets such as Ledger and bitcoin.com
- Tens of millions of users already in scope
- Wallet-based verification is coming live in early 2026
- Core user preference reiterated:
- Users want access without exposing full identity
- Privacy must coexist with regulatory requirements
- Final position:
- Full anonymity is incompatible with real-world regulation
- Regulators will not abandon KYC and AML
- Zero-knowledge verification is presented as the practical compromise
9. Balancing privacy with regulation
- Full anonymity is unrealistic due to bad actors
- Regulation and traditional financial systems are not going away
- Crypto adoption requires coexistence, not replacement
- Privacy and integration must be balanced to achieve scale
10. Financial innovation: yield and smart contract safety
- Yield-bearing and tokenized stablecoins exist but lack adoption
- Core reason: they do not solve for the time value of money
- Many tokenized products are securities:
- Subject to strict regulation
- Limited onboarding
- No secondary markets
- Result:
- Institutions default to traditional money market funds
- Tokens cannot be actively used
- Root cause identified:
- Smart contracts acting as custodians
- Funds locked without productive use
- Concordium’s approach:
- Programmability at the protocol level
- Smart contracts used only for conditional enforcement
- Key principle:
- Smart contracts should not custody funds
- Time-based transactions matter:
- Deposits
- Deferred payments
- Conditional settlement
- Protocol-level issuance enables:
- Safer programmable money
- Yield with real utility
- Combined with identity:
- Regulatory onboarding
- Geofencing
- Institutional compliance
- Focus is not competing on TVL:
- Goal is enabling usable, compliant financial products
11. Concrete use cases: gaming, gambling, adult, and social
- Question focuses on which sectors adopt first
- Boris states adoption starts with high-risk verticals
- Gambling
- Gaming
- Adult
- Social platforms
- These sectors:
- Are global
- Have massive user bases
- Move faster under regulatory pressure
- Gaming highlighted:
- Enormous global reach
- Historically lacked suitable infrastructure
- Now becoming viable again
- Live traction:
- Ongoing discussions with gaming companies
- In-game purchases moving to Concordium
- Age gating is a key requirement
- Shift from abstract to practical:
- Money is used inside ecosystems
- Not as a speculative asset
- Social and adult platforms face:
- Increasing age-verification enforcement
- Large fines for non-compliance
- Examples include Australia and US state-level restrictions
- Regulation applies to:
- Users
- Content creators
- Entire payment flows
- Concordium enables:
- End-to-end compliant payment flows
- Verification baked in at the base layer
- Infrastructure emphasis:
- Fixed transaction fees
- Predictable costs
- No congestion-driven fee spikes
- Business case:
- Reducing regulatory risk has direct economic value
- Compliance costs outweigh transaction costs
- Go-to-market model:
- Open-source integration
- Low friction for businesses
- Revenue driven by:
- Users
- Partnerships
- Revenue sharing
- Strategic positioning:
- Focus on real economic activity
- Not transaction spam or yield farming
- Closing tone:
- Long-term, ground-up adoption
- Built with businesses, regulators, and real users
12. Recent milestones and strategic partnerships
- Boris says the first major milestone was a full restructuring of the organization
- New management team
- Reset of priorities
- Core technical milestone:
- Protocol-Level Tokens (PLTs) were built
- Protocol-level issuance did not exist before
- After PLTs:
- Focus shifted to building an ecosystem around them
- Primary ecosystem focus:
- Payment Service Providers (PSPs)
- PSPs sit in front of thousands of merchants
- Real-world pressure point identified:
- PSPs are seeing revenue drops due to age gating
- Boris describes the three age-verification options merchants face:
- Upload passport
- Selfie with AI age estimation
- Anonymous verification
- Clear insight:
- Users overwhelmingly choose anonymous verification
- This is where users are actually captured
- Important distinction:
- No crypto, wallets, or swapping mentioned at onboarding
- User enters first, crypto stays invisible
- Timeline:
- First three quarters of the year were mostly quiet building
- Most announcements happened in Q4
- Wallet integrations highlighted:
- bitcoin.com
- Ledger
- Safle
- Coin98
- ~110 million users in aggregate
- Broader vision for identity:
- One-time KYC
- Reusable across services
- Example: instant bank account opening via QR scan
- Exchanges and other ecosystem players:
- Also came together mostly in Q4
- Forward-looking signal:
- Boris is most excited about Q1 and Q2
- January to March expected to be significant for adoption
- Closing note:
- Many developments still upcoming
- More to be revealed publicly over time
13. What Concordium aims to be known for
- Boris’ core ambition:
- Concordium as the privacy-preserving verification layer
- For both the traditional world and crypto
- Verification is not chain-exclusive:
- Concordium identity can be used across other chains
- Verified address = verified transaction
- Explicitly not competing with Ethereum or Solana
- No interest in fighting L1s on their own terms
- Regulator-facing role:
- If verification is required for a use case
- Concordium provides it
- New development highlighted:
- Work with the ERC-402 / x402 Foundation
- Focused on agent payments
- Verifying that agents are human-approved
- Positioning crystallised:
- Verification layer
- Smart money layer
- Built for real-world use
- Privacy momentum noted:
- Privacy is coming back into focus
- Strong renewed attention in the sector
- Key distinction stressed:
- Privacy ≠ anonymity
- Fully shielded systems are not regulator-compatible
- Requirement for adoption:
- Balance privacy with compliance
- Concordium’s differentiation:
- Identity on the base layer
- Protocol-level issuance
- Reduced reliance on smart-contract custody
- Implication:
- Enables new forms of DeFi without custodial smart contracts
- Final conviction:
- Zero-knowledge was the original promise of crypto
- The industry is reverting back to it
- Privacy with compliance is the only viable path forward